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It scares me that the US is moving to embrace the ills of Europe, anti Semitic hatred being the worse.

As long as you are a member of the Democrat Party, you help enable that bleak future. Belonging to and being loyal to a party is what lead to WWII and the cold war. It is the party elites that use the rank and file members (who tend to be decent people) to further their quest for power. The Israelis are pawns for one ideology and the Palestinians are pawns for another. If they would stop being puppets to outside sources, they could build a great future together. Genetically, they are very closely related. Much of the Palestinian populace are descendants of Jews who were not dispersed by the Romans and later were forced to convert by the Arab Muslims. Both groups have valid claim to the land since they are virtually one people divided by religion.

To read Benny Morris’ two books, 1948, and Righteous Victims. These provide more nuanced views of the formation of Israel as well as giving reasons for the animosity that many Palestinians have towards Israel and it’s birth.

when he describes in those books some of the cruel tactics used by Israelis in their battles against Arabs. But in a 2004 interview printed in Ha'aretz, he elaborates on some of his nuanced views. Some excerpts:

H. Are you trying to argue that Palestinian terrorism derives from some sort of deep cultural problem?

"There is a deep problem in Islam. It's a world whose values are different. A world in which human life doesn't have the same value as it does in the West, in which freedom, democracy, openness and creativity are alien. A world that makes those who are not part of the camp of Islam fair game. Revenge is also important here. Revenge plays a central part in the Arab tribal culture. Therefore, the people we are fighting and the society that sends them have no moral inhibitions. If it obtains chemical or biological or atomic weapons, it will use them. If it is able, it will also commit genocide."

H. Are you a neo-conservative? Do you read the current historical reality in the terms of Samuel Huntington?

"I think there is a clash between civilizations here [as Huntington argues]. I think the West today resembles the Roman Empire of the fourth, fifth and sixth centuries: The barbarians are attacking it and they may also destroy it."

H. The Muslims are barbarians, then?

"I think the values I mentioned earlier are values of barbarians - the attitude toward democracy, freedom, openness; the attitude toward human life. In that sense they are barbarians. The Arab world as it is today is barbarian."

H. And in your view these new barbarians are truly threatening the Rome of our time?

"Yes. The West is stronger but it's not clear whether it knows how to repulse this wave of hatred. The phenomenon of the mass Muslim penetration into the West and their settlement there is creating a dangerous internal threat. A similar process took place in Rome. They let the barbarians in and they toppled the empire from within."

H. I want to insist on my point: A large part of the responsibility for the hatred of the Palestinians rests with us. After all, you yourself showed us that the Palestinians experienced a historical catastrophe.

"True. But when one has to deal with a serial killer, it's not so important to discover why he became a serial killer. What's important is to imprison the murderer or to execute him."

H. We are talking about the killing of thousands of people, the destruction of an entire society.

"A society that aims to kill you forces you to destroy it. When the choice is between destroying or being destroyed, it's better to destroy."

H. There is something chilling about the quiet way in which you say that.

"If you expected me to burst into tears, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I will not do that."

H. What you are saying is hard to listen to and hard to digest. You sound hard-hearted.

"Remember another thing: the Arab people gained a large slice of the planet. Not thanks to its skills or its great virtues, but because it conquered and murdered and forced those it conquered to convert during many generations. But in the end the Arabs have 22 states. The Jewish people did not have even one state. There was no reason in the world why it should not have one state. Therefore, from my point of view, the need to establish this state in this place overcame the injustice that was done to the Palestinians by uprooting them."

H. Would you agree that this historical reality is intolerable, that there is something inhuman about it?

"Yes. But that's so for the Jewish people, not the Palestinians. A people that suffered for 2,000 years, that went through the Holocaust, arrives at its patrimony but is thrust into a renewed round of bloodshed, that is perhaps the road to annihilation. In terms of cosmic justice, that's terrible. It's far more shocking than what happened in 1948 to a small part of the Arab nation that was then in Palestine."

H. The title of the book you are now publishing in Hebrew is "Victims." In the end, then, your argument is that of the two victims of this conflict, we are the bigger one.

"Yes. Exactly. We are the greater victims in the course of history and we are also the greater potential victim. Even though we are oppressing the Palestinians, we are the weaker side here. We are a small minority in a large sea of hostile Arabs who want to eliminate us. So it's possible than when their desire is realized, everyone will understand what I am saying to you now. Everyone will understand we are the true victims. But by then it will be too late."

Using a "translator" holocaust denier as an excuse for the terror and extermination campaign that israel is doing on the occupied territories. Blaming the palestinans for defending themselves from a brutal occupation army. Could have been copied directly from israeli propaganda.

And it has no place in an erotic stories site.

There is no historical basis for it.

Palestine was only a geographical region.

There were no Palestinian Kings or Queens.

There are no archeological Palestinian examples of coins.

It’s all a sham.

No war was ever started by those without a strong group identity. No stronger more destructive group identity exists than zionism.

This has no place on a erotic story site....submit you views like this to a political forum

Just a bit of supporting evidence, in 2016 the US Patent Office granted over 3000 patents to Israelies. Egyptians had a whopping 36. If the Muslims in the region would make peace with Israel and partner with the Jews in business, the entire region could achieve great things. Not gonna happen, though, as Islam is a religion of death and hatred.

There are a plethora of things that divide us. What unites us here, is the enjoyment of reading and writing erotic stories. However good and valuable this lament may be elsewhere, it is out of place here. It's spam.

I really like your 3 part (so far) story. Really good.

IMHO, it's fine to put your observations here in Non Erotic. I know a gun owner who is adamant about the right to own arms. His uncle liberated a concentration camp while in the Army. He says they made all the townspeople nearby walk through the entire camp so they would see with their own eyes.

He Uncle told him that he would never forget those faces and to distrust any government that tries to disarm it's citizens.

You are a courageous writer. Bravo. There are too many people like the German woman in the train compartment, The Polish Prime Minister is a good example. Keep up the good work.

I don't think we can deny that AIPAC and other lobbies like it do manipulate the US government into positions it shouldn't be in. I also don't think we can deny that the Isreali state will do what it feels is necessary to survive, and frankly I don't see how we can fault them for that. It doesn't mean we need to be complicit.

We also can't deny that the Palestinians, and Isreal's Islamic neighbors, will stop at nothing to destroy Isreal, to exterminate the jewish people, and that to stand by and do nothing while they do so is to be complicit in genocide. We can't deny that the Palestinians, through terrorist actions, attacking civilians, delegitimize their claims to the point of being unsupportable. We can't deny they have no interest in a peaceful solution, and that this somewhat justifies Isreal's response, antagonistic though it often is.

Most of all I don't think we can deny that Islam is fundamentally anti-western in a way that's completely incompatible with individual freedom, that is spreads via conquest and is continuing to do so, and that European leaders are complicit in this conquest, and Democratic leaders wish to join them. I don't think we can deny that we are besieged by post-modern identity politics on all sides; anti-western, anti-white, anti-male hatred on the left, and anti-jew, anti-individual hatred on the right. We are presented a false choice between totalitarianism on both sides. I don't think we can deny that our only choice for survival lies in the middle, and that we must hear, and reject, the ideas of both sides.

This past week the UK was jailing journalists for intending to interview anti-immigration speakers, attempting to put people in to jail for jokes made on twitter and youtube. We are being told to adjust the voting age for teenagers who were weeks before eating tide pods for popularity, so that they can help restrict their own rights by raising the age to own a firearm. These same people tell us that freedom of speech is a vice rather than a virtue, that we should protect the feelings of the 'oppressed' despite no evidence of oppression, and surrender our rights to speak, to arm ourselves, to be secure in our person and our property, to due process of law, to a speedy trial...

These are perilous times. We need reminders like this more than ever, and thinking minds listening and speaking, and holding back the tides of hatred and self-interested stupidity.

Well done, sir.

in 1995 yitzak Rabin was assassinated by a right wing jew, who opposed the peace process. Rabin having served as a soldier for years with the IDF saw that peace was what he thought was the only way for both to prosper. The Palestinians have been screwed by everyone, used as a catspaw to by many of the other arabs states. and Netanyahu.. you could see the hate in that bastards eyes . I'm sorry I used to be very much backing Isreal till this took place. Now they are the bellicose murdering bully trying to justify murder on the backs of those slaughtered in the holocaust, and some bullshit religious books claim to Jerusalem,as well as the spots they have continued to annex(aka STEAL) saying they have historical rights. There are no saints in that part of the world.Lebanon finally got rid of both Israeli as well as Syrian interference and rebuilt. There are plenty of Jewish people who are decent and think this course of action is wrong, But Likud and the even more bellicose, bigots drown them out. Forcing people out of East Jerusalem, out of their homes has been well documented for decades by various films, one made by an Israeli who opposed their actions. And to think all this murder and misery was caused by fables like the torah, koran and bible.

have various sections of that part of the world NOT been claimed by its various self-righteously competing inhabitants, each feeling fully justified by birth, nationality, history, moral retribution, prophets, and/or their God's or their gods' Divine Will? Give up! Ameliorate the lives of those who must live there, and hold in contempt all who kill, but justify no political claims whatever. Another group always has and enforces a better claim, whether starved or slaughtered, or starving and slaughtering others. Ever since Abram, as one story goes, came down from Ur of the Chaldees and found better grazing land. No doubt before then too.

I remember a time in St. Louis it snowed near Easter and I was at an age where my beliefs in Santa and the Easter Bunny were losing their grip, maybe 5 or 6. It was after the war because my Uncle Charlie was back from New Guinea. We had a dusting of snow one morning and apparently a cat walked across our porch leaving tracks. My uncle came to visit for whatever reason, and he convinced me they were Easter Bunny tracks. Well one cannot deny the evidence of ones own eyes.

We had an 8mm Bell & Howell projector and Castle films too. In fact I still have them and yes, the bulb still works.

We were spared those pictures at those ages. But later I came across a "History of the War in Pictures" at a relatives house, probably by Time or Life magazine. They contained many graphic pictures from throughout the war.

of "never again," is deep within my soul. I would like to have met the half of my family that chose to believe that "all was well." They perished. Those memories live within the souls of the Israeli people. The woman on the train would not be breathing when they found her. And fuck the liberals of our great country that would give up the lives of Israeli citizens. If an arabs lips are moving, he's lying. Always has, always will.

Friends Grandfather was US Army who liberated one of the camps. They made all the people from the surrounding town walk through the camp to whiteness the crime.

The Nazi's took all the guns from the Jews and then other Germans, so they could not defend themselves.

That's why our 2A rights are so important. That's why we must protect freedom and stand by those other free and Democratic nations in the world, when they need our help.

Israel is among the most important.

Maybe you should become a Republican.

As the Cajuns say, “you right”.

I like very few Republican politicians and absolutely no Democrats. If you like totalitarian government, vote Democratic. If you like freedom, fight to get and keep the Republican Party out of the hands of those complicit with the Democrats.

Being from Ireland we get only the ISRAEL oppressor side too. I explain to my friends that we too would defend ourselves if we were surrounded by countries whose only wish was our destruction. When I was 20 I wore a PLO scarf . Now in my 50s I shudder at my stupidity.

Look if Israel stopped taking over the West Bank land and giving it away to Israelites, a long term peace could occur! Hamas are idiots! They should be throw out by the Palestinians.

The history of Jews and Palestinians in the 20th century is complex. Simplistic schemes of “this side is good and that side is bad” do justice to neither. Persecution of Jews throughout Europe grew during the late 19th and early 20th century. Many (Jews and others) recognized the problem and tried to find a solution; at one point there was a proposal to develop a Jewish homeland in Uganda (not kidding, look it up). Jews began emigrating in increasing numbers to what we now think of as Palestine, then populated primarily by Arabs under the Ottoman Turkish empire, until Britain and France divided the Middle East after defeating the Turks in WWI. After the Holocaust and WWII, Jews emigrated to Palestine in increasing numbers. Arab and British attempts (some violent) to enforce limits on immigration were met with a Jewish guerilla/terrorist campaign that resulted in the deaths of numerous people (including civilians not involved in the hostilities). In 1948 Israel declared itself an independent state with authority over both Jewish immigrants and the long-time Arab residents. War broke out and with both the local population and surrounding Arab states. Jewish settlers claimed more and more of the territory, evicting The long-time Arab residents. Since 1948 there has been an endless cycle of provocation and response from both sides: it is impossible to paint either party as “the one who started it,” retaliation often seems to exceed provocation, and neither party is wholly innocent or guilty. It is true that there never was a nation of Palestine, but the mostly Arab population had lived there under various overlords for centuries. (Until the late 1800s, the Jewish population was very, very small.) The world wanted/needed to find a safe place for the persecuted Jews of Europe, but it seems that this has come largely at the cost of the long-time Arab population. It seems to me that both sides have been badly treated at different points over the past hundred years and it seems impossible now to imagine how to justly make both sides whole.

Well put. One is a western style democracy where all lifestyles are allowed and one is ruled by people who abuse and kill gay people and only allow one way of thinking. Amnesty international report below.

The Palestinian authorities in the West Bank and the Hamas de facto administration in the Gaza Strip continued to crack down on dissent, including by stifling freedoms of expression and assembly, attacking journalists and detaining opponents. Security forces in both areas used unnecessary and/or excessive force during law enforcement activities, including when imposing lockdown measures in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees were committed with impunity. Women faced discrimination and violence, including killings as a result of gender-based violence. Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTI) people continued to face discrimination and lacked protection. In the West Bank, authorities made widespread use of administrative detention without charge or trial. In Gaza, civilians continued to be tried before military courts. Courts in Gaza handed down death sentences. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza occasionally fired rockets indiscriminately into Israel. Two Israeli civilians were killed after lone attacks by Palestinian individuals.

I read responses of incredible ignorance ...

I will mention facts only:

1. Before 1948, there were a small number of Arabs and Jews living in Israel.

There was no Palestinian state, no Palestinian currency and no flag.

There were Arabs who immigrated to Israel to look for work - from Egypt, Jordan and neighboring countries.

During this period, Jews came from Europe and bought land for the purpose of establishing a new life without anti-Semitism.

3. From time to time the Arabs would attack and murder the Jews - because they are Jews.

This is a religious war! Of hatred and murder of anyone who is not a Muslim.

4. During World War II, Amin al-Husseini allied with Hitler to eliminate the Jews in Israel. He was later defined as a war criminal.

In 1948, the UN decided to define Israel as the Jewish state.

The Arabs who lived in Israel and all 7 Arab countries around - refused to make the decision - within hours! Went to war to murder all the Jews. {The headline was "Throw them into the sea"}

The Arabs who lived in Israel - were not deported! But fled according to the announcement of the commanders of the Arab armies - "Get out .. come back after we are conquered and defeated"

7. In an extraordinary way, Israel won.

Apologies for the translation and I wrote a lot ..

Five stars for telling the truth. Jordan was created to be a Palestinian homeland. Why do they deserve to have two? If they got two, would they want three? Four?

Under the conditions in effect, as bad as they might be, the Palestinian population has exploded. How is that possible under all that adversity?

Palestinian woman deported by force from her house: "You are stealing my house."

"Honorable and productive member of human civilisation" jewish settler: "If i don't steal it someone else is going to steal it"

"The bombing of The King David Hotel, July 1946" - worth thinking about