All Comments on 'Anger Management Ch. 02'

sorry ending poor , a lot left unsaid

Very good story. but I thought you left it unfinished. I think nhe might suspect something of her " girls night out ".

I found the end worthwhile. He has bottled his rage and turned to writing to let it go. It also hinted she is not being faithful, and he is bottling that rage, too. An interesting choice by the author.

Powerful. And I love that it trolls all the people who can only handle the ONE story ending that they need to jerk off to. Oh no, inconclusive! No shit sherlock, not all stories fit your singular archetype.

2 dislike end

Sometimes I think that writers on this site seek attention by carrying water instead of thoughts. Why bother telling a story without an ending...Just in case you think this is a naturalistic conclusion and we are supposed to do your work don't. This was a lazy ending to a potentially good story.

bad ending

A decent story but the ending was a MAJOR let down. I would love to see a deal writer take this and give it an ending that makes sense

The ending leaves too much unsaid.

I honestly don't know how this has rated this high.

Bad story so he chats with a friend he did not fuck her amd she blames him after she fucks some ine else amd the author let it slide like that. Bad story bad ending 1 star

Femdom agitprop always takes the effects as causes, ignoring the true cause of adultery.

Well any married woman letting a guy step into her space, will cheat sooner or later.

Being offended when a husband defend her or the family is against an intruder or threat i just hypocritical. What great punishment i would have been if she would been force to live with her lovers death on her conscious caused by her cheating.

This wa sa typical cuck writer story…wife gets away with slutting…hubby on his knees begging forgiveness for being a man!! Typical swinger joe cum pie

Very simply this story was fucking stupid and primarily because both these people are fucking toxic as shit! The Guy is simply a Prick who gives a fuck that he's good at his job he abuses his wife and kids what the fuck? Just horrible horrible story

WTHF was/is this about? I thought for a few minutes it was an okay story, then it went to hell, in a row boat. Thanks for the effort. Keep trying.

A confusing story. Nothing makes sense. Why didn't Jess start screaming or trying to get away? Some women may become too petrified in these situations and just play dead, which may have been the case here. But, why didn't she say something to Dave afterwards? Why was Jess upset about what Dave did to Dylan even if Dave indicated murderous thoughts which he did not follow through on? At same time, Dave is defective in not standing by his wife. She did not have a fling or affair, but Dylan confirmed that he forced her.

There are too many inconsistent actions without explanation.

As to the many commentator who call for Jess' crucifixion, I feel sorry for you because you must be real losers. One should destroy families because wife was forced, and even though the husband cheated (at least emotionally). Dave is the sad case here, not Jess.

The very end, I feel, was unnecessary, why take one last poke at the MC. just doesn't make sense.

I loved the characters you created in this story. They live down the street, don't they? They feel so real. I absolutely hated the ending, that's the beginning of so many cheating stories, it's triggering.

No one can be that much of a Neanderthal and actually hold a job with responsibility over others. he never would have been judged as fit.. As for the commentators thatblame Jessica for having a positive physical response while being raped, if they were blindfolded and then given a BJ their bodies would respond teh same, even if it was another man or a 400 lb. woman doing it.

How can he ever trust her

Cuck bullshit, but look who the author is. $50 says that spanking in the profile pic pegs his ass and makes Joe lick it clean....

I liked your story. Well written, characters and situations believable. I see you haven't written anything lately, pity. Talent like this should be shared.

You Know

I have a new thought. The cheating probably was a rape. A rape she secretly enjoyed amd that's why she told no one. I don't know what to call it. Except fiction.

Sounds like rape. Somehow she's convinced herself that she was at fault as well. Weird that she'd rather protect her rapist than her family, but I guess shame is a powerful thing.

...wow!!!

I like flawed characters, we all carry baggage. Even in a good marriage, there’s decisions weather to stay or leave. He chose to stay. There are girls nights out of good, clean fun, and girls night out that put the marriage at risk. I think he can tell the difference.

Chilleywilley

cucks get one star

she was a cheating whore once and she is a cheating whore now

Enjoyed the story, didn't read all the commentary here (Stories are more fun to read) but really once our villain had his come to Jesus moment he really should have apologized to the wife as the sex was non consensual, today he'd be accused of rape. To go off half cocked to apologize to Dave is like him committing a crime all over again. He got his rocks off doing married women, did he confess to ALL of the husbands? That's the central weak point for me. But loved the history of Dave, made him have feet of clay. a real person, he earned the real redemption. It might have been a different story had he had more empathy towards his wife (Like he did with his classmate years earlier) Anyway still enjoying the work and grateful for well written (Yet slightly annoying!) stories to read. Thanks!

Joe can't bring himself to BTB, he does , sometimes, tell a good story.

so women that talk about with their bbf are emotional lesbians? Hey if you have a male best friend and your a guy your emotionally gay. If a guy has a female best friend then their having emotional according to this and it out weights her physically having sex with someone other than her husband. WOW ....Joe what a world you live in.

One one time

Other years

No sympathy for him either

he deserves to wallow in his anger, after all he chose a lying duplicitous cheating fuck slut for a wife

I refuse to fell sorry for stupid people

The story ends with Dave back together with Jessica, but still with a great deal of anger. Did he stay with Jessica? What were his stories about? Does he trust Jessica? If not, why did he get back with her? Also if not, has he ever followed her, had her followed, or tracked her? It was really unclear why Jessica let Dylan fuck her with so little of an effort to stop him? If she wasn't raped, but she didn't enjoy it, how else could she have described her feelings that night? If Dave has so much anger, will his marriage last?

"And I need to think about whether I want to be with you anymore."

The correct respose was "I see, I thought I was protecting you from a predator, I didnt realize you were selling sex for better grades. Dont worry about thinking about thing, I have no interest in being with a cheap whore

She cheated on him when they were dating, she cheated on him while married, why the fuck he wants her back I have no idea

And getting fired ould have been the perfect time to get a divorce - no alimony, minimal child support

Yup no justice for the sap. She still cheats and Dylan walks away rich. Yup no justice!

Kind of liked this story but needs a proper ending

Not only is it unfinished, this fucking sucks because he's actually BACK with her. What the fuck? 1*

Not away to restart the marrige. He should just cut is losses.

An interesting variation of the cheating wife theme but the ending (if you can call it an ending) leaves too many unanswered question. The main one being will Jessica be stupid enough to go back to someone as unstable and dangerous as Dave? We'll never know.

LA

The wife isn't going with the girls she is still cheating, he should no longer trust her any farther than he can throw her.

What if the characters were good hearted, virtuous people? What if they didn’t make mistakes? Would anyone want to read about that? On an erotic story site? Me, neither. Joe writes dramatic stories about flawed people...the most interesting kind. The comments are fun, too. Good authors snag their readers and make them care.

But damn! She should have told her husband right away!

What a stupud CUCK Bull shit.

He should have DNA TESTED HIS CHILDREN.

ONCE A CHEATER ALWAYS A CHEATER. THAT DRINKS WITH SHARON N GIRLS IS PROBABLY, THEY R JUST HER COVERS SO SHE COULD FUCK AROUND ON HIM.

I BET SHE ALREADY FUCK THE ENGLISH HEAD OF THE DEPTT TOO.

IF I WERE DAVE I WILL NEVER TRUSTED HER N WALKWAYS CHECK ON HER ....I KNOW SHE IS CHEATING. THEN KILL ALL HER LOVERS ONE BY ONE... THEN KILL HER LAST.

TO ME ADULTERY IS MURDER. THOSE WHO TRESSPASS SHOULD PAY THE PRICE- DEATH.

WRITTER I KNOW YOU R A WIMPY CUCK YOURSELF.

STOP POSTING THESE KIND OF SHITTY CUCK STORY. BETTER STILL GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A DILDO THEN HANG YOURSELF TILL YOU DIE OR EAT A BULLET. STUPID SHIT.

1*

wished I'd read the comments before I started chapter 1!

Thanks SJ, would like to see more writing from you along these lines.

2 Stars because a 1 is deleted! If you wanted to anger the entire male population on the planet guesse what? You've succeeded! This IS fiction after all. The end is like a balloon that loses it air very rapidly. This is a total letdown and copout! If you cut and paste, like I do, this story comes to 32 pages. Do you really think we want to read 32 pages to get to such an uninspiring drivel? You obviously did not know or were too lazy to end it properly. Yes I know it is YOUR story and your right! The poor man has been castrated and lost his balls and behaves like a little boy on Ritalin and he did NOTHING wrong. Oh yes! He threatened the motherfucker WHO raped his wife. And what does the bitch do? She takes away everything that the man loves. And to crown it all you REWARD the fucker with 2.5M dollars. I am 65-years old and I don’t know or ever met any man that will be this stupid or accommodating. So he settles, according to you, to be that poor bastard that accepts everything this bitch dishes out! It is Sunday 15 July 2018 and I am NOT impressed with you. I. Am pissed off. But if you’re a woman I understand! Maybe she has stepped out on him regularly for how can she go through all this with no conscience? KAK! like we say in South Africa!

Funny swingerjoe understands the sinfulness of an author becoming a personality rather than an entity with pages of words attached to it. And he seems to handle it well enough, even when getting into it, mostly because it's all about the story and doesn't get personal. That's the best way to get written off...insult something, anything.

But the comment about not being one of the cool people crossed the line into personal attacks and/or defensive comments, like the cliché anonymous will be hauled into the scrap heap. You done fucked up, and I was rooting for you. Reconciliation is possible but uncertain.

This story must be magical if there are arguments about conspiracy theories. I might have to agree with one of them, but that's some funny shit. Now, not everything an author says about a story need be true, it's not even under oath. Anyway, springing the emotional affair at the end is a cheap trick, and sets him up to lose because there's not more than a single interaction regarding it, which reveals there were a couple prior interactions. It's just too contrived and inconsistent with the feelings expressed at the start of the story. There would have to be something seriously wrong not to want your wife as your best friend.

They say rape is about power, so I'd say what happened was consensual rape. Like, unless you've got a knife to your throat, yelling won't probably get the cops to help, but nobody likes driving a car with the alarms going off....it's too conspicuous. She didn't appear to have any mental or physical disabilities that would prevent her from being able to try to defend herself. Fuck, don't they advise you to have a notarized consent form before having sex where you live? What kind of backwoods place doesn't do that? Never have sex without a notarized consent form on file.

For me even if I found out 25 years later or after my wife died I wouldn’t be able to stay with her or forgive that betrayal. It would hav to be a come cleannfor me to even consider forgiving. If I were him I’d do a dna test on both kids just to shove it up her ass . I this case this would be way to much to let go.

And you criticzie other writers for this. Learn how to finish the story.

Hi @panenbrant, I don't think there will be any continuation of this story, I believe that Mr Joe is trying to enlighten us about deception of ones spouse in the art of infidelity.

My interpretation of the story is that the husband is only aware of the one incident, however, the wife has been stepping-out on him the entire time.

I am looking forward to the ending.

Jessica is an unfaithful woman. It will be i teresting to see what happens next.

Most people come to this site for erotica. This wasn't even close. I felt like it was a bad Lifetime movie.

You call that talking? The guy close to her, whispering in her ear is called talking? Each one with his/her own definitions. If he does that in a public place, what will he do in private? In this story you reduced the husband to be a wimp just to be near his children. Next he'll be eating a creampie and then goes back to his writings.

Very entertaining story I enjoyed it very much. Thanks for sharing.

Hardnightknight had an excellent comment on a reconciliation story.

1. About the meat of his comment: The effect of the cheating event will erupt after 5-10-15 years after the reconciliation at some family querrel, where the husband will mention the past.............

However I add 2 newer cases:

2. The husband will loose the obstacle to avoid extramarital fun (from prostitutes to girlfried) from himself. (Sbrooks wrote an excellent example for this!)

3. Postponed divorce after the kids leave the nest.

Why do the Reconciliation authors want to show us every betrayed reconciliated husband has Alzheimer syndrom????????????

Swingerjoe

You hit the nail on the head wth Dave's story without becoming bogged down with excessive emotion. Your characters were portrayed as believable human beings with their respective good and notso good qualities. Well done,amigo!

SwingerJoe covered his bases well here in terms of not letting stereotypes comandeer the plot. That being said he glosses over some crucial scenes that would enhance the story . Pennnance and redemption is a frequent theme of this author. The angst can get a bit ponderous . No stroke scenes , no witty dialogues… SJ prefers to focus on baby steps of self knowledge and did quite credible job in that regard.

Bottom Line : This was worthy story to peruse , but author needs to challenge himself and go for transcendent.

At least he did not comment on what she was wearing when she went out to meet

the "girls". Things did come together rather quickly. One thing I felt is that the kid

should have really stood by him considering all the tension he had support worrying about him. It was not clear to me whether the screwing occurred before or after the

cave in.

I have to say though, I'm very uncomfortable with swingerjoe's idea of justice. The scumbag rapist gets away with his crime and gets rewarded with a multi-million payout.

Adding a chapter just to explain the first two seems unnecessary and boring. If you have a change or advancement in the Dave story that you like then share it.

Stories like this reflect our fallible humanity. Only for example, I've been unbelievably lucky and happily married for the last 35 years.However, prior to this I sacrificed my marriage to my high school sweetheart--my "one true love" supposedly--to petty issues enhanced by youth and ignorance. Looking back from experience I can see so many different conversations I could have had with her, counseling we might have pursued, perceived priorities that could have been reorganized. Like many young couples we've all known we didn't get it done. Relationships and life don't always get figured out or explained to everyone's satisfaction. And when we read a story that doesn't answer every conflict it forces us to revisit the uncomfortable part of being people. (Even the discussion on what constitutes rape above--we so like our lives being clearly defined!) Yet, as readers should we each figure out how to relate to that discomfort, or should it be the author's task?

you do need a third chapter. I personally would like for to not go dark though.

Yes a third chapter would help with Dave getting more help after his wife reads his stories and realizes that he is still seething inside and her finally admitting that she was raped.

I gave Dave PLENTY of reasons for his anger: childhood bullying, his parents’ breakup, his father’s death, the mine collapse, the pressure of the investigation after the collapse, etc.. The “betrayal” was merely the final straw.

As for the “betrayal”, it was an assault. Jessica internalized that assault as if it was her fault (not uncommon) and felt incredibly guilty about it. She blamed herself even though she shouldn’t have.

Maybe I should write a third chapter after all.

Some parts seemed a little forced, but on the whole a good story.

I don't understand the comments telling you how you should have written the story. Everyone is free to put together their own stories, writing them exactly as they feel they should be written.

I will certainly read more of your works.

You say that she wasn't raped in the comments. The thing is you didn't write it in a way that makes it clear at all in the story. The "I wasn't raped" has been mentioned several times, but this other exchange hasn't.

"No, Dave!" she replied. "It was all real. One bad mistake doesn't make it all a lie."

"Mistake?" he laughed. "Forgetting to take out the garbage is a mistake! Getting a bad tattoo is a mistake! You fucking spread your slutty legs for another man, Jess!"

"I know. It was terrible, and I'm a terrible person for having done it. I have lived with that guilt on my conscience for years. And I'm sorry. But what you did to Dylan was so far over the top, I can't believe you even thought of doing it. Murder? Is that really who you've become? Am I married to a murderer?"

Can you understand how their last conversation about the sex in the story sounds like an admission that she did in fact cheat? Many cheaters deny and deflect when first confronted and admit the truth later. They even have a name for it, trickle truth. I hope you can see how some readers might have taken the way you wrote this to be her trickle truthing Dave.

Still very predictable to me. She cheats on him then she leaves him.

Hmmm...

Well that's what fiction is for, right?

continue...

no rating

I think the modern TRUE Romance in the life now except for the highschool time is THE FINDING OF OTHER WOMEN AFTER DIVORCING A CHEATING WIFE!

This reconcilation story shows well to find other woman after divorcing a cheating wife is the MODERRN ROMANCE!

The hero's father would not have died if he had found another woman!

I think the best BTB stories show this fenomenon for annoying the reconciliation fans!

Seems kind of unsettled - strange ending.

Joe,

Not sure about the closing. I haven't read all the comments, but my presumption is that it was a little poke at the angry LW writers. Ie, anger and temper issues, but his way of managing his anger was to write down stories of mayhem and distrust and retribution instead?

It did feel like you gave the relationship with Melissa short shrift. It was referenced by the wife as a concern, and only after does he go and get shutdown by her. We never actually are shown the relationship, only told about it. It certainly sounds like Jessica misconstrued the nature of the relationship from Melissa's perspective, based on her reaction to the hubby lightly propositioning her.

It is of course an ongoing question of what level of intimacy is appropriate between people outside the marriage, particularly between those of opposite gender (presuming the people involved are heterosexual and thus romantic potentials).

Anyway, thanks for the story. This felt like a bit of a sendup of the angry BtB writer/reader rather than a story you might enjoy for yourself, but it was well written overall and internally consistent. I'd just try and 'show' more about the secondary relationships than tell. Similarly, I'd probably drop highschool shower/shame stuff, unless again the point was to poke fun at the relatively common LW trope of flashback to long ago incidents that have very little to do with the current story arc.

You and I will never be on the same page on most subjects here on LW , probably not in real life either. But I do believe you are an excellent writer, and several of your stories are in my favorites. I don't usually care for reconciliation without consequence, but in this case, both sides were guilty of indescretion, so I can live with it. Besides, my particular desire is to see the affair partner suffer severe damage. One of my all time favorites, which I honestly didn't know was yours, is In The Air. I love that story, even though I realize after many readings, that you intended to show how revenge takes a toll on all parties involved. In the case of Anger Management, a lot of intelligent,verbose people have dissected it pretty thoroughly. You have deftly sparred with them all. I've gotten farther into this story, through the commentary, than many books I studied in college. I am completely satisfied that I understand it. For me, Joe, you are on a roll. Keep it comimg. Oh, I would like to know if a young millionaire, with a huge cock, and a poet's name is waiting on that GNO.

Dave has a real serious mental problem stemming from his mother cheating on his dad and his anger issues have been building since he was a child. He is not healed and his wife is in danger bur, who knows what joe will write next?

You spent the time to write a story with very human, believable characters and with logical, plausible events. You left no gaping plot holes, and you showed growth and change in the characters without undue details. You are also amazingly open to read and think about the comments of some of your readers--unlike some writers who feel their superior skills place them above challenge.

Protagonist has serious issues. If he has any respect for himself, he should be in counseling.

Particularly when there is a hidden agenda involved. Maybe someday we can get back to just writing plots that tells a story. It's difficult for a plot to do that if it has to work around the author's need to affirm his own point of view by making caricatures of those he perceives as disagreeing with him. Just tell the story, do your arguing in the comments. Please.

A man is not defined by his dick size nor his sexual prowess. Instead, a man shows he is one by the way he handles what life throws at him.

Here, swingerjoe expanded on the very critized comment he made about another story. He did so by making a mockery out of the husband. I may be biased but I have met swingers before and some exhibit some traits that I noticed on swingerjoe. They can be very intolerant towards others and see vanilla marriages as inferior due to the swinger's (perceived) ability to disassociate love from high quality sex.

Here we had the wife putting more relevance in an online affair she only (conveniently) made a issue of when she her own affair was found out. Oh, we also had her defend the thesis that keeping infefility a secret is for the best as it wouldn't change a thing. That's... typical swinger thinking! On the third marriage and probably second swinging partner, while having fun and enjoying financial security, why rock the boat? Why not just keep enjoying the life (we have) together? Secrets everyone has them and the adoration I call love for my spouse is not diminished in any way!

See;,I too can be prejudiced.

What a shame! This could have been a great story but the petty author had to ruin it.

how many more scenes he had to include before he convinced readers Jessica was a good wife. He already knows the answer: all that she had to do was have sex with another man, just one time, while drunk, and at least half forced, and she’s a worthless cheating, wholly irredeemable slut.

Once a cheater, always a cheater is how I believe the line goes.

When you look at the number of responses to a simple story it's hard to hide the truth. Those that want to read nothing but BTB stories most likely have been burned at one time or another. Cuck stories are written by people who have self esteem issues. Swingers write from the angle that life is beautiful with more partners, have you ever asked the question 'If you feel you need more than one partner why did you get married'?

I read stories on this site not for jerking off but to see how other people view the world and life. Joe's story was great, I believe him when he said how long it took him to write, but I also remember his story he claimed he popped out in under an hour. On this site I have read great stories, good stories. bad stories and some really shitty ones. I see red when a good story is beat down because the author is disliked and at the same time because they are in with the in crowd they can do no wrong.

Back to Lue's comment, if you have never been the brunt of a bully or the joke of the crowd you will never know how it effects someone. Growing up when ever something happened to me I was told 'You need to grow thicker skin, let it flow off your back like water on a duck' but if I did something that upset someone.... I'll let you finish that.

No I am not a bitter old man I have led a full life despite everything I said above and now I am enjoying retirement and reading stories every day, 'Life's been good to me, thank you berry much'.

Your closing comment: "let me say jealousy and insecurity will follow you to your dying day"

I really do hope that you are expressing the viewpoint of a very small minority of married people when you make that comment.

Lue

First let me say congrats on not only a great story but because some of the points you raise are valid on both sides of the street.

Your ending

"Hey, where are you going?" Dave asked.

"I'm going to get ready," she said.

"Ready for what?"

"Didn't I tell you? Sharon and a few of the other girls are getting together tonight for drinks. They invited me to come along. You don't mind, do you?"

The smile on Dave's face faded, but was soon replaced with a forced grin. "No, of course not. Have fun."

He moved to his chair in the living room and opened his laptop. A moment later, Jessica passed by and gave him a peck on the lips as she made her way toward the door.

"What are you up to over there?" she asked while putting on her coat.

"Just writing," he responded. He counted to ten and began typing.

The way your wrote this it reads like she is hiding something. 'Didn't I tell you' as she is going to get ready and then go out the door. You wrote about his facial change and then his response and how he had to count to ten my guess to control his temper.

Carolinadreamer

You know the group I mean—they’re the people who can’t understand the meaning of the word fiction and are always thinking the characters we write are really indications of how we live our lives. Such people are to be pitied. The worst part is, they have no idea what they’re missing.

Yes we know its fiction, but when it is written well enough you can live the story vicariously. So the comments show how well we liked or disliked it.

SJ

One of the (MANY) questions I hoped to confront with this story is: at what point is it “cheating?” At what point do you decide that, regardless of everything else you and your wife have experienced together — for richer or poorder, in good times and bad, in sickness and health — how committed are you to those vows when actually tested? Will you bail at the first sign of trouble?

As you wrote Jessica's character giving her explanation still saying the truth she could have sugar coated, she was the one at that time in the hot seat. She could have said it probably was but at the time she was so distraught and scared so couldn't tell. When asked about cock size (if she had had the talk about his childhood) to tell a lie wouldn't have hurt instead you chose to have her say "Yes! Yes, he had a big, fucking, monster dick. Does that make you happy? Does it make you sad? Does your self-worth depend on comparing dick sizes with another man?"

"Yes! Yes, he had a big, fucking, monster dick. Does that make you happy? Does it make you sad? Does your self-worth depend on comparing dick sizes with another man?"

To Brooks from Joe

Fair enough. I know you’ve been married longer than I have. There is no way your wife could have survived so many years with such a jealous and insecure husband that you wouldn’t allow her to socialize without you. I know that YOU know better.

I've probably been married longer than both of you and let me say jealousy and insecurity will follow you to your dying day.

"The difference between rape and consent is "no"."

Let me just write a quick scene. You tell me if the woman is giving consent:

Jessica sat on the edge of the bed, her erect nipples visible tenting the soft fabric of her dress. There was a smouldering burn of arousal in her smokey eyes as she gazed at her former student's huge cock. "My how you've grown, Dylan..."

"I've wanted you for years," he murmured, his eyes roaming over her stunning body. "I'm going to fuck you in ways you could only dream of..."

"No, Dylan..." Jessica purred, lying back on the bed and posing provocatively. She circled a painfully hard nipple with her finger. "I'm married. That would be... very naughty."

He grinned at her and approached the bed, his throbbing cock leading the way.

Jessica parted her thighs and inched up her dress, revealing her glistening pussy. She began to stroke her clit, her chest heaving with her arousal. "No... please don't fuck me with that huge cock... how will I ever be satisfied with my tiny husband?"

Crooking a finger, she beckoned Dylan closer, a lascivious smile on her lustful face.

----

Oh dear! She said "No" twice. In this scene, Jessica obviously has no interest in a sexual encounter with Dylan... right?

Your response clarified everything that wasn't made clear in the tale and I have a much more complete picture. Her response in the truck makes a lot more sense and makes her character much more sympathetic in light of her encounter with Dylan being non consensual than otherwise.

Dylan is actually more of a fucking villain however and deserved at least the beating if not being murdered.

I know many women, my wife included, who were victims of the semi rape described and her response was realistic though I do still fault her for not telling her husband. I do understand her reluctance given the emotional distance and his terrible temper.

I'm left with a much greater appreciation for this story with you being patient enough to comment. Thank you.

I still believe Dylan needed justice at some level. The beating and death scare he had was well deserved but I'm left wondering, how many women did he actually rape with his wonderful philosophy of no means yes.

Be interesting to see Dylan with a man loving monstrosity with a monster cock fucking him senseless after he said no.

Dylan getting somewhat away with it is fairly realistic if depressing. I can't see Jessica being at all upset that her husband beat the hell out of him.

If you ever write this shit fully out and flesh out the angles, you have amazing potential. I fully understand the boredom and tedium associated but it really does add amazingly to the story.

I suspect a decent I.Q. at play but extrapolating on assumed details is pure gold for authors even if tedious and boring.

I will take your input into consideration with future submissions and, more than likely, arrive at the same endgame you are striving for.

Thanks again for a thought provoking work.

"So, where do you draw the line between rape and consent?"

In a story? I don't draw the line, the writer does.

You told us that she wasn't raped...

The difference between rape and consent is "no".

So, where do you draw the line between rape and consent?

"Sure, that is more acceptable dialog for the BTB crowd, but I didn’t write this story for them."

If she was raped, she's not a bitch. Why would the "BtB crowd" want to see her burned? In those circumstances, I'd imagine that they want the husband to reap bloody vengeance against the rapist, not punish the poor wife.

"What if Dylan did, in fact, rape her against her will? Would that change your opinion of her?"

Of course! But your characters make it quite clear that she wasn't raped...

Dylan said: "Rape her? Hell, no! Come on, man. It wasn't like that."

The wife actually states: "He didn't rape me."

"does it matter if she was assaulted or she enjoyed it?"

Of course it matters If she was assaulted! It's her consent that's the big question here, not her enjoyment. Was she deliberately unfaithful to her husband, or was she sexually assaulted? the difference between the two is huge!

You obviously intended Jessica to be seen as a good, faithful wife that was victim of a rape, but that's NOT what you wrote.

The story says she wasn't raped, which means she cheated. Then she lied about it, showed no remorse for fucking the big-cocked stud, gets angry at the husband, leaves him, and made the husband grovel to win her back. After turning the husband into a cuck, she starts going out on girls nights, which obviously pisses the husband off, but he's so emasculated he just lets her go off to get some strange. (Remember, the story makes it quite clear that she's an easy lay when she's had a few drinks...)

If you make scenes ambiguous but heavily insinuate that the wife is deceitful, you shouldn't be surprised if the readers come to very different conclusions than you intended.

Fair enough. I know you’ve been married longer than I have. There is no way your wife could have survived so many years with such a jealous and insecure husband that you wouldn’t allow her to socialize without you. I know that YOU know better.

Chaining "our" women? - I made it QUITE clear that I was talking about the LW universe, and not real life.

For better or for worse, in LW, when wives go to a GNO it's not just for a few drinks and idle chit-chat. They are often in situations that lead to inappropriate behavior.

I suppose it's necessary for me to repeat that I am NOT saying that this is the situation in real life.

Sure, that is more acceptable dialog for the BTB crowd, but I didn’t write this story for them.

One of the (MANY) questions I hoped to confront with this story is: at what point is it “cheating?” At what point do you decide that, regardless of everything else you and your wife have experienced together — for richer or poorder, in good times and bad, in sickness and health — how committed are you to those vows when actually tested? Will you bail at the first sign of trouble?

What if Dylan did, in fact, rape her against her will? Would that change your opinion of her? Or would she be damaged goods forever?

What if he just kissed her? What is she didn’t kiss back? What if he fucked her, but she didn’t enjoy it?

This is why, at one point in the story, I had her ask her husband, point-blank: does it matter if she was assaulted or she enjoyed it? If their marriage teetered on the fringe of the answer to that question, then was the marriage even worth saving?

"Dylan Harrison. Did you fuck him?"

She looked at him incredulously, then her face crumpled and Jessica burst into tears.

"He raped me!"

Dave's knuckles cracked as he clenched down hard on the steering wheel. "That motherfucker... he's a dead man walking..."

"No, please don't!" Jessica gasped grabbing his arm, her face twisted in panic.

"What the fuck? You're protecting that piece of shit?!" Dave snarled.

She shook her head, tears rolling down her cheeks. "This is why I didn't tell you... I was so scared..."

"Scared? I would have put that bastard in the fucking morgue... then you wouldn't have been scared!"

"I was scared... of your temper. That you'd kill him and spend the rest of your life in jail... I couldn't do it to our children..."

Dave gaped at her in horror as he realised his wife had suffered in silence for 5 years, never bringing her rapist to justice because she was scared of his reaction.

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Something like that makes her sympathetic and makes Dave confront his anger. Ambiguity is a useful tool, but not if it leads your readers to make assumptions about your characters that you didn't intend.

wife fucks another man and husband is the bad guy.have you people lost your fucking minds.

"I have a bad habit of assuming my readers understand my characters as well as I do."

You know what they say about assumptions...

It's important to remember that the only insight we have into your characters are the words in the story. The wife worrying that the husband might beat the "rapist" to death is an important point and shouldn't have been glossed over.

As the story currently stands all we know is:

1) She fucked a younger guy

2) The wife tells the husband Dylan's got a massive cock (and she know's the husband is very insecure about cock size).

3) The wife lets slip that she told Dylan to never say anything to her husband.

4) Dylan, under threats of death told the husband when asked if she gave consent: "I thought so at the time. I mean...she was...wet." The implication is that the wife was into sex with him.

So you might not have intended it, but the impression you gave is that she enjoyed fucking the big dicked stud, didn't consider it a rape and tried to keep it quiet.

"So you're saying he raped you?"

"No," she said. "I don't know. Maybe. It doesn't matter."

"He didn't rape me."

That's not the dialogue of a raped woman. She comes across as totally blase about having sex with Dylan, so when she insists she wasn't raped, then goes on to attack the husband, it makes her seem like an unrepentant slut.

Hamlet's not a likeable character either but he's received plenty of airtime through the centuries. I suspect Dylan might not be Dave's skull yet the introspection you've portrayed is close to the classic 2BrnotB. Congratulations on rocking our expectations. There's no absolute need to write a third chapter but you've got a lot to work with here. Dave's character is definitely FU, just like too many people I know (and at least one of my employees.) Good job.

Part 1 was interesting and showed promise, part 2 was awful!

The slut wife fucked a younger big-cocked guy. She obviously wasn't raped... if she was, why the hell would she beg him not to say anything to her husband?

Then the manipulative bitch somehow twists it around so that the cuck husband has to apologise and "Win her back"! After proving she's an easy whore who will spread her legs for a drink or two, the husband now has to grin and bear it, when she's off slutting around on a girls night?

You forgot to mention that as well as having a tiny dick, the husband has no balls...

Read this. Ouch. Male? character development is a bit .... lacking?

I thought maybe I should try a reread after a scotch then realized that would be a waste of a good scotch.

""No," she said. "I don't know. Maybe. It doesn't matter."

Couldn't have said it better myself. She doesn't know if forcing a woman to fuck against her will is rape, and even if it is, it doesn't matter. A perfect sentiment from this author.

Could anyone intentionally compose more vapid dialogue? "Telling you may have eased my conscience, but it would have devastated you." What is it about being raped that gives her a guilty conscience? Would she expect her daughter to keep being raped to herself, to think it doesn't matter? Is she so stupid and short sighted she doesn't realize she was allowing this predator to rape other women after her? And why shouldn't he, it was great sex with Jessica. But what is really puzzling is that Dylan confessed having sex with his wife, but the husband doesn't demand to know all the details? Why doesn't the husband already know Dylan's version of the sex? If Dylan described it as a consensual fuck session why doesn't this angry caveman call his wife a liar as well as a slut?

"Son of a bitch. He gave me his word." Oops, I guess we can forget about her describing it as being forced. We can also forget anything else she denies. She fucked him and wants it to now be just forgotten. End of a marriage.

But at least we, finally, learn what the point of this story is: "You have been intimate with her in a way that you've never been with me. You gave her your heart. I never gave my heart to anyone but you." Another author using the tail to wag the plot. So who's the real adulterer? Well, I doubt their marriage vows included the promise that he would never love and cherish another person, male or female. Never included the promise that he would never enjoy a close personal friendship. His wife had his complete love, loyalty, and fidelity, but she wanted exclusive possession of his heart and soul and mind. Only be her friend, only enjoy her company, only think about her wants and needs and inadequacies. And, of course, forgive her for fucking one of her students, with apparently no real resistance. Maybe my biology is weak, but I don't think emotionally loving and cherishing another person outside of your marriage will give your wife a venereal disease, or cause the conception of an illegitimate child. Not even a nice try. Just some "equivalency" bullshit to equate physical adultery with intellectual and emotional camaraderie. Specious. Only a moron would buy that argument.

I'm embarrassed for you.

P.S. Dylan's got 2.5 million dollars, a handsome muscular body with a huge cock, and were supposed to believe she's going out with the girls? He already knows that she has been communicating with the born again predator. God, sometimes it just so hard to avoid a really mind blowing rape: "Don't make me, don't make me! You're going to make me, aren't you?"

Pathetic.

He reminds me of the horrible dad in the horrible novel "The Corrections" by Frantzen. There is not much to love about the guy and he is a ticking time bomb and a horrible person. The Wife has a masters degree and a good job, why does she waste herself on him

He kidnapped that kid, bashed him and wanted to murder for fucking his WIfe, but then he went and tried to fuck Melania behind her husband's back. So, its okay for him to murder guys who fuck his WIfe and yet its also okay for him to fuck other men's Wives??? He only didnt fuck Melania because she turned the loser down! ANd he only didnt murder the Holy Roller because the victim pointed out he would get caught???

I assume you were focusing on the guy dealing with being cheated on, but, why the fuck should the WIfe get back together with him? She has no reason. The guy is a psychopathic asshole. Or, is that the Loving WIfe part? A loving WIfe remains together with a violent psychopathic asshole who will probably snap and murder her in a fit of rage.

Your comments are much better than your story. But you are a good writer so I'll check out your other stories. But please, stop trying to sell a deplorable homicidal psychopath as a lovable husband/dad.

Isnt it striking that most of your readers have no problems with the husbands character? Deplorables...

Rock on Mr SwingerJoe

So, having a wife that cooks and does the dishes so you can relax, who takes care of the kids for two weeks while you’re away, who gives you all the time and space you need (even if your emotional support comes from another woman), who brings you food and clothes while you’re on the job, who offers to “relieve your stress” with some impromptu sex...

...isn’t enough?

How many more scenes did I need to include to convince you she was a good wife?

I’m a man. I have NO idea how women think. No guy does. (Although the older i get, the more I delude myself into believing I do.) The guys who try to explain women’s behavior (especially in LW) embarrass themselves by posting stories with women who think the way they WISH they thought. I hesitate to even try to do so. The one story I wrote from a woman’s perspective, I made sure I sent it to a woman for her feedback before I posted it.

I write from a man’s perspective because it’s all I know. I write about flawed and multifaceted men because that’s what I am. I won’t apologize if that makes you uncomfortable.

Dave humbled himself and dealt with the anger and took her back beacause swingerjoe TOLD us she was the best he could hope for.

The problem is... we needed to be SHOWN why she was the best for him.

The bitch didn't do a damn thing to heal the rift between them. Another perfect, unaccountable female who bears no responsibility for absolutely anything.

The first part was fine. Part 2, though.. No, too much of a cop out for me.

Thanks for the read all the same.