All Comments on 'The Woman in the Cave'

the ex wife is still a c#$t though . her ego in wanting to be seen as an equal with her superficial peers is how she justified her contempt for him .

Was a good story but there's one thing that feels a bit over the top not just with this story but with a lot stories in this genre.The use of therapist as a plot driver you know like a worldly/godly know all type of a character.And The reason she cheated on her husband was because she had the hots for Terry it wouldn't have mattered whether her husband was successful or not.

Well done! Thank you for your efforts to entertain. Five stars, if not more.

Good story appropriate ending. 5 stars

And your usual fine analysis of the human condition

Would have been a three or four for almost anyone else. I really didn't like the Lovey Dovey Feel good ending, especially since I felt it was achieved by minimizing the EVIL in the ex wife's actions and view of life.

There is a great societal flaw illustrated in this story, well really two.

Some women tend to treat nice men like they are wimps. Doesn't reinforce norms of proper behavior for men. Actually it often undermines us when we try to teach youngins to be nice and respectful towards women.

Also many of US need to watch our thinking or we will also disrespect atypical male roles just BC they don't make big money.

Been reviewing your stories here and this one pushes all the right buttons. Innovative and emotional feels right. Besides, I am a sucker for a happy ending.

I have to agree with the other commentor, this is probably your best (completed) story on here. I added completed because the series you're currently working on is also outstanding.

You got 5 big ones from me. Excellent work!

If you're one to read comments, I highly suggest you don't bother with the narcolepsy inducing drivel. Holy dumb fuck. It's tedious, boring, lame drama, that could be had someplace nobody cares about, like somewhere on Google Plus.

There was a good one, however, which ended more ballsy that many stories, "But she was killed a few weeks later when a propane truck sideswiped her at an intersection on the way to work." Damn.

Well, someone said she would have cheated anyway. She hardy loved him by that point, so there wasn't much to lose. But maybe I missed some clues or whatever.

I read this before, almost read it again, and this time I did. It was mostly good. I got bored somewhere, but I don't remember where, since I was bored. Things served for a purpose by the end, and everybody had their resolutions in a way that isn't perfect. She had the pain and guilt, and now is a wanderer... He was abused, but took control of a new situation. She saw the person she loved again, both a pain for her and a positive change for him.

I think the abuse nears gratuitous with Peyton, though. There's a scale of truthiness, where on it are varying degrees of truth, and once you pass five, there's no white lies, and around 8 is brutal, and 10 is... something I never hope to see, and it's abusive. The only good thing was how the new girl bothered to give constructive criticism. Also implies other good things. But the author is really telling us he likes abuse.

I guess it's his thing. Maybe abuse is the only way he is motivated. It's unclear whether it's the author's feelings, or a character constructed, and around here, giving the benefit of the doubt often leads to being lynched while burning at the stake and being eviscerated, and having children hang Christmas ornaments on your entrails.

Whether the public acclaim matches what's appropriate for the story, based on views and favorites, this is esteemed to be in the within the quasi-epic to epic tier, with under 1000 views per favorite. Few stories manage that, and some even manage 500 views per favorite, which has got to be within the top 5%.

I agree with those who says that this story should getr higher scores. It's really deep, maybe too deep for the LW pattern.

However there are some of us who appreciate the effort to write a story outside the box.

It really is a good story, and five star material.

I still think the story glosses over the malice and presumption of the wife. Also for her to so suddenly turn on her husband and toss him aside as the result of her infidelity-trigger meant she never really loved him for him, and/or she was much more callous and capricious than any decent soul could ever be.

I think it is admirable to not judge others for the purpose of feeling superior to them or to feel good by believing we are better than they are. I think it is advisable to take a careful look at people and if they have any major lack of kindness, ethics, or courage, to minimize our association with them,. Live is too short to run with the mean, wrongful, or cowardly.

Damn Dawg, you really do know how to light up a comment section.

When truth is sold bought

in minds vindictive as help

none will nurture

Spouses may now lack

manners of a roomie civil

mod life accepts this

I usually don't read stories

that are from the cheater's point of view.

I really don't care about the cheater's feeling,

their motivations or their story.

Would've stopped reading this one,

if the start hadn't been so strong.

And this story certainly was strong.

Well written, powerful plot

and great dialogue.

Though I would've rather read Brandon's story,

it's likely, that it would've damaged

the powerful conversation with Doc Carter.

With that thought in mind,

this story gets top ratings from me.

I Fived this story the first time I read it! WHY did I not comment? I almost always do for a Fiver. Answer ... I have NO idea why! Alzheimers? Quite possible.

Applying LSD’s scoring scale, this is a seven or so. However, I now like FD45’s scale better. Easier... can’t beat simplicity ... especialy when the two scales correlate +0.93.

Like several others in this thread, I noticed the family resemblence to ‘Separate Vacations.’ A great family to be in (or ‘in which to be’ if you feel sorry for infinitives.)

I found the use of a second PoV (clearly demarcated) to be very acceptable in this tale. Simply, there are two people telling a story ... to make one person tell the other’s story would probably have been massively awkward.

I read to feel something. Anger, despair, sorrow, love..... I felt them all. This was by far the best story I have read on Literotica. However, the ending was a little too abrupt for my wanting. Some more insight back with the therapist, maybe. Some more self examination by Kat, possibly. Just a little more. I actually wanted to feel better about Kat as well as Brandon. Thank you for your work.

I like to think I judge a piece of writing not so much by its theme but by author's skill.

With this story Javmor79 has left LW in the depths of its usual trash and entered the rarified air of literature. Loved his skill with dialogue; that's just about the hardest skill to acquire. And as others have noted, there was true character development as the tale progressed. Very believable.

This story was extremely well written, but I didn’t care much for it. That’s no reflection on the author, I just have this “thing” about stone-cold bitches who bulldoze their way through life. I’m not talking about strong women who forge their own path in whatever direction they want to go, I’m describing low-life people (actually men or women) who don’t mind crushing whoever they need to, to advance their own way in life. And yeah, some of my angst is from personal experience. Simply put, “Kitty Kat” is exactly the kind of person for whom I pray failure.

Maybe you should have sucked a few more dicks to make sure you had that job locked down

I like all kinds of stories here. The ones that I like best are when the author can pull something from me. From warm and fuzzy to tears of pain. I suppose I am glutton for punishment . I have just added the story and the author to my favs.

They got what they deserved. She got passed over for promotion to a sleeze, lost her job, emotional wreck, remorse, her ex becomes a success with another woman. Her husband gets motivated, finds his soulmate, and success.

All good.

I noticed a number of negative comments about this story. These commenters are alpha males who don’t have the ability to understand a story like this one. They comment based on ignorance! This story brought tears to my eyes which an alpha male would have called me a pussy! I was drawn into a Brandon’s character. He still loved kitty kat even after they divorced but he could never go back to her. That part of his life was over and Brandon had moved on. Kat provided Brandon with the motivation to become a great writer. This was one of the best written stories on Literotica.

Jackie doesn't write a bad story. He always makes you feel something for the characters. I didn't breakout warm up to anyone in This one, as well written as it was.

Even the Doc let her buy into Bran's value TOTALLY being connected to his professional success...Doc even let her off the hook by saying Kat "helped" him with her cruelty. To be clear, Kat was in no way qualified to make judgments on Bran's career. In contrast, even though they talked at length about her job, Bran did not berate her as a horrible person if her job was not going well; he was supportive. I think Katrina missed her chance to have a genuine epiphany, and instead was lead to believe she did the right thing by brutally crushing her ex-husband.

It seems in almost all your stories, you give your female characters an easy out. You initially show them at there worst. Hell, the first couple of pages you had that shrink describe her as evil bitch. I really didn't see how you brought her the kitty kat in the last page. Hell, it was all about her, she was neurotic at the begining, and was just as self centered at the end. It was about her healing. I am sure Hitler was pleasant to his girlfriend, and maybe a few others, but he is classed as the most evil person in the 21 century. I saw no real change in her thinking, or why she changed, if there was change. Don't seem right to give her a platform to show she is still human. But really can lawyers really be human.

Your portrayal of Dr Carter and her inner thoughts arent terribly far off.

Another good story by the author. But quality lawyers (which is what is portrayed here) do not curse as depicted in this story, and the situations in law firms is far more complex than as depicted here.

Thanks... I have enjoyed another one of your stories. Keep up the good work!

The moral of the story is don’t get hooked up with a fucking lawyer.

How do you tell if a lawyer is lying...their lips are moving (ok so I changed it from politician, it’s still valid).

Good story well written.

But she couldn't see it...what was so dam good about this story was...you can see what the wife felt all the way through this story....and that made this story stand out from the crowd here...........

Very good! I'm usually with the BTB crowd but can certainly appreciate a great Loving Wives tale. The wife finally understood with the help of a rare commodity - an understanding psychologist. The ending was handled with tenderness and goodness. Even with the infidelity and disrespect, she deserved a reasonable ending with the man having the decency to allow it. 5 stars definitely. Now, I'm off to find a good BTB tale.

LOVED the story. Has a ton of reality to it. Though I hated the play. It’s one of those hoytty-toytty student written plays we had to sit through in college for a GE “arts” requirement. But, that’s no matter to the story, except I was all into the story then *skreeeeech* to a stop for the play. But that’s just my own problem.

She was right to try and motivate him, as he himself kinda says. As the therapist says she was enabling him. But she wrong how she did it, obviously. But also, she is human so it’s difficult to see both the enabling and the negative motivation if you yourself are doing it. It usually takes an outside observer to see things.

KAT should have been the ones reading his writing and giving honest critique. Maybe neither thought of it. And also as a new attorney just hired by a firm you are lucky if you are not working less than 70 hour weeks. What time would she have to read his writing.

But that’s neither here nor there. Excellent story when I first read it ~3 years ago, and excellent story this time too. Very very human characters, with good and bad within them.

5-stars & Favorire.

what a bitch!, loved it 5*

Wonderful story. Flawed but wonderful. Love the comments from anonymous saying people who hated it had to be alpha males blah blah blah. Such a broad paint stroke there. Sure that makes anyone who doesn't watch womens sports misogynists and all those who hate tacos racists. TC ireland.

While they did not stay married or get back together, The cheating wife is still forgiven so 1 star.

Had Brandon forced the conversation to happen at the theater or taken Peyton with him to meet Kat then, I would have scored higher as didn’t do anything to directly hurt or humiliate her.

It was a fascinating story.

I found it hard to sympathise with Brandon, not because he struggled with motivation, but because he married such a hard-nosed bitch in the first place. Having a relationship with a career woman is a terrible idea at the best of times, but a lawyer? And a really narcissistic, ballbreaking whore of a lawyer at that.

What I thought interesting at the end was how Kat hasn't really changed, and is still the same arrogant career-obsessed fool that she was at the start. The big difference is that her value as a potential wife is tanking by the minute. She's getting older, so less likely to be able to get pregnant... not that she had a maternal bone in her body anyway. Kat might be able to date fuckboys, but nobody is going to be stupid enough to wife her up.

Meanwhile Brandon finally becomes successful with his career, and the financial success as well as his surging fame and social status makes him a great catch. I can see him having a few kids with Peyton, while Kat stocks up on pet food.

I have known and practiced against too many women lawyers who are very close to Kat, stone cold screechy

bitches. They generally are not very effective. Being a tough hard ass is not the same thing as being a screechy asshole. And sexist or not, a woman who is so evidently a screechy asshole will play very badly in front of judges and juries.

If she ever remarries, she will never have anything other than a pussy for a husband. Consider her last words to Brandon: "If Mr Right comes along, then fine. If he's happy taking a backseat to my goals, we can give it a go." Kat is incapable of having a relationship with any man who isn't taking a backseat to her and her career. A talented self-confident man will simply not do that. She will either have another husband whom she thinks is not her equal or she will have many lonely nights with her Chardonnay and 3 or 4 cats to keep her warm. Great writing, 5*****

It appears that Katrina judged Brandon's writing skill by the rejection letters he received. It seems the she didn't bother to read any of his works so she was not able to offer constructive comments. If he knew why his stories weren't being chosen for publication maybe he could have had a winner before another helped him turn to a different style of literature.

I loved it. But once again, why couldn't this have been a reconciliation. I know, it's just not "you."

You somehow made a cheating wife realistic and understandable. First time I've seen it on this site!

I like a good dose of dialogue if it is realistic, interesting, purposeful, and is synchronous with the narrative of the story... in fact, if there is too much narrative and not enough dialogue to back it up, I believe most stories lose their interest and punch... I feel this story captured that balance needed to make a realistic, interesting, thoughtful, and captivating story.

Wow what a cunt glad she'd wind up a biological dead end if she was real ..

Wow what an amazing read.

Well done. Good insights, vibrant dialogue, and a plausible outcome. No fairy tale endings or irredeemably ruined lives. Two people unsuited to each other and probably doomed from the outset. Yes, she was a birch, but she owns that.

Best revenge is a live lived well, especially after the divorce..

5* Just to say at the start, I am very happy with a lot of dialogue in a story when it is as well-written as this one is.

The interplay between the characters unfolded steadily and you made, for me at least, Kat both sympathetic and unsympathetic. The tension between her initial brittleness and the growing understanding of herself worked very well. The way Dr Carter teased out her feelings was believable. Kat's words to her therapist combined with the flashbacks made the back story and her motivation very understandable. After all the hurt, on both sides, she eventually reached the stage where she could come to terms with herself, meet Brandon and clear the air. I found it very believable. In the end I was sorry for Kat, for the mess she had made of her life, and pleased for Brandon. The paradox, made clear, is that her actions both destroyed and made him.

Thank you for a great story - one which would work well as a three-hander playlet.

Enjoyed the story. Found this a very interesting story. Thanks for your writing.

Sad story of paradox and loss. In this case Kats. All she is ever likely to have is her career, her empty house, a lonely bed-yes stil likely lots of men to have sex with but as the years go by tge mirror will tell her about time cruel reality.

Eventually all her social circle will fade, her career will end and everyday will be repeat of yesterday and model for the morrow. She's alone with no friends or family. No one.

That's the real tragedy in this. It's truly heart breaking..

"For some reason, there was something familiar about a woman named Trina working for the District Attorney..." Since she didn't surface later in the story, is there or will there be another story with her as the central character?

Paradox is the word mentioned in a couple of comments. It's an appropriate word for this story.

Kat could both love and respect the man Brandon is now. However, he wouldn't be this version of himself without going through what he did. As Dr Carter pointed out. Living the comfortable life he did with Kat paying for everything he didn't have the necessary desperation and motivation to accomplish what he ultimately did.

Dr Carter also pointed out very simply the paradox of feminism as it stands today. Women have the right to be professionally successful. Intellectually they believe it's ok for the man to make less and be a sensitive partner. Yet, at the most basic, instinctual level they want their partner to be successful and in charge.

It might have taken 5 years but, it was refreshing seeing Kat come to grips with the fact that she was to blame for the failure of their marriage and take the steps necessary to atone for her mistakes.

Why do successful career women only realize what total ass wipes they are after they have lost it all ???? (jaybee186)

Loved the story and look forward to more. Thanks

Great story.

Tend to agree with Syzyguy, I believe many people don’t care for ‘dialogue only’ stories because many writers can’t produce such a story and keep it interesting. Some writers just seem to need some action scenes mixed in with the dialogue to move the story forward. This story didn’t have that problem, so thanks, Javmor.

Five stars.

Excellent story. Too bad the MC really didn't learn anything about marriage and a partnership. "If he is happy taking a backseat to my goals, we can give it a try." She had that and it didn't work. So, she still wants a man who is what she views (not what I view) as a pussy. She will never have a happy relationship.

Well written but sad. She really hasn't learned how to improve her chances for a successful relationship moving forward. Now it is back to all career. And if Mr Right shows up, he has to take a back seat. She is sorry for what she did to her ex and wishes she had been the one to motivate him, but her goals are still not conducive to a meaningful, long term, relationship. She is still too self centered. Yes she realizes she was a bitch and her hsuband was unmotivated, but her communication skills in a relationship suck, but her goals are still about her and she will probably remain alone for much of her life.

EH! 5 pages of good dialogue to prove that she is still a self-centered, uncaring Bitch.

The story was a good ideal. But as usual the Literotica authors will let the bigotry slip and be shown. When the doctor was taking a out the events that have caused people to be inspired (Holocaust, Slavery, and The Great Depression). Holocaust was Capitalize, Slavery was minimalized, and The Great Depression was also Capitalized). It was not a slip or a mistake, but intentional. The Caucasian mind is twisted, vile, and evil as fuck.

The only aspect I did not like was the assumption that a person needs to be "motivated" by the possibility of starvation in order to succeed. This is the sorry excuse used by every miserable, selfish prick to ignore all the suffering in the world.

Funny, I only want to give positive feedback lol.

That's really all I have anyway, the characters had a real persona instead of a queen bee breaking down and being someone she is not, she made real changes you can understand where the changes came from instead of "poof" I am better now.

Same with the guy! He went from leaching off his wife going nowhere to making something of himself.

The only issue could be that he did go "poof".. Did he work at McDonald's while writing?

Granted, the story was about the wife so I understand.

4.5 stars

Unique plot in LW.

Although it got dragging at some points making me skip several paragraphs, story is riveting that I got invested enough to know how it ended. And I'm glad I did.

It was a good read. Thank you for sharing.

I liked the story. Hell, I could almost see it written as a play. Funny that. Anyway, I think a lot of people take umbrage at Kat's last shot about her career because frankly, it's a pretty gross sentiment. I've had a very demanding career for well over two decades and I have continually advanced through it because I was driven to do so, but at the end of the day when I had to - I always chose (and still choose) my wife and children. I can always make money and who cares about the respect of people who don't love me? Well, I said my piece, but I also think that she was blustering there at the end. She tends to do that when she gets emotionally uncomfortable, just ask Dr. Beth.

I was going to give this a five * right up until the line where the husband said, "there are conditions" and then let his wife shit on their marriage. It was well written and kept my interest to the end. The husband seemed like a decent guy, one I would choose to be a friend. But...

The very second the wife comes to a husband and blubbers "I have only been with one man in my life and...." is the moment the marriage ended. Actually, the marriage ended the very second the wife THINKS, "I have only been with one man in my life and....".

Marriage is a lifelong commitment. Never marry on a whim without thinking through all conceivable future desires. If there is even the remotest chance you will want to expand your number of sex partners, DON'T GET MARRIED and for god's sake don't poop out children.